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		<title>by: tobias</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrigstad.com/?p=35#comment-54</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Mike: I don't think that drama exerices as an idea are useless. Just that they are (almost) effectively useless (Please change that or stop using them!). What I am saying is that people seem not to be interested so much in what drama exercises can do for them (whatever that is and however you define drama exercises), but rather in the social effects of embracing and employing drama exercises. I do think these things are related.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Never use a tool as if it were something else.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: I don&#8217;t think that drama exerices as an idea are useless. Just that they are (almost) effectively useless (Please change that or stop using them!). What I am saying is that people seem not to be interested so much in what drama exercises can do for them (whatever that is and however you define drama exercises), but rather in the social effects of embracing and employing drama exercises. I do think these things are related.</p>
<p>Never use a tool as if it were something else.</p>
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		<title>by: Mike Pohjola</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrigstad.com/?p=35#comment-53</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;I'm not Swedish, and I believe in drama exercises. In principle, that is. I've been to games that have used them, I've even ran games that use them. What strikes me odd, though, is that they're often used very badly. More like high school Theatre for Beginners classes than actual exercises to help get into the character or atmosphere or style, or whatever.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They're a tool like any other, I guess, which could be used very well for excellent results, but rarely is.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not Swedish, and I believe in drama exercises. In principle, that is. I&#8217;ve been to games that have used them, I&#8217;ve even ran games that use them. What strikes me odd, though, is that they&#8217;re often used very badly. More like high school Theatre for Beginners classes than actual exercises to help get into the character or atmosphere or style, or whatever.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re a tool like any other, I guess, which could be used very well for excellent results, but rarely is.</p>
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		<title>by: tobias</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrigstad.com/?p=35#comment-52</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 10:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Sven: I realise you didn't know each other, but my point (or rather, one of them) is that in small crowds, just meeting, looking each other in the eyes (without formalising the procedure and calling it an exercise) and talk is what usually works best. Saying hello is making people comfortable. Going through exercises because you might &quot;perform worse otherwise&quot; (which is really what you are saying) is, I think, rather the opposite. It is hard to get away with being artificial in a small group.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I'm glad you agree with me, though.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sven: I realise you didn&#8217;t know each other, but my point (or rather, one of them) is that in small crowds, just meeting, looking each other in the eyes (without formalising the procedure and calling it an exercise) and talk is what usually works best. Saying hello is making people comfortable. Going through exercises because you might &#8220;perform worse otherwise&#8221; (which is really what you are saying) is, I think, rather the opposite. It is hard to get away with being artificial in a small group.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you agree with me, though.</p>
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		<title>by: tobias</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrigstad.com/?p=35#comment-51</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Jonas: You don't ruin my rant. Keep questioning me.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonas: You don&#8217;t ruin my rant. Keep questioning me.</p>
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		<title>by: tobias</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrigstad.com/?p=35#comment-50</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;What kinds of drama exercises? Various kinds, especially trust-exercises like running towards a wall but being stopped from crashing into it by the rest of the players, and things like that. Having your eyes closed and being led around a room without colliding. Trying to lead someone without using force. Being silent and signal things with your eyes. Men exposing their shoulders and being &quot;pested&quot; by women who have put socks in their pants to build a scrotum. Playing tigers that battle for status. Becoming safe with body contact, e.g., giving massages to people with their eyes closed, etc.  I tend to hate all kinds of exercises with the goal of forming an ensamble that doens't really have anything to do with the larp or play or whatever.  Freeze-exercises I really hate, especially when you are changing places etc.  I also hate sitting in circles and saying &quot;My name is ... and I think this is great, everyone is sooo good ...&quot;. I also hate forming grops and bonding over collective lies
like how great this is going to be and how much the drama exercises improves whatever.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Exercises I dislike less include trying to feel various feelings to various degrees (I actually think this is quite good, but the people who led the exercise kept feeding us crappy feelings like &quot;perpetrator&quot;, which were not really feelings). Exercises that include actually playing your character before the actual event is generally a good idea.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think that the best way to reduce tension etc. is generally to talk, be nice, encouraging. Beers are good also.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the case you cite, I guess the goal was twofold: partly to actually think about what these words meant in this particular setting, but mostly for us to meet, talk and bond. Giving us a pointless exercise is mostly for easing this process. But real people don't need to be fooled badly into forming groups.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think preparation is good, if it is chosen carefully and has some bearing on the actual event. The problem is people presenting drama exercises and costume making as something that it is not.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kinds of drama exercises? Various kinds, especially trust-exercises like running towards a wall but being stopped from crashing into it by the rest of the players, and things like that. Having your eyes closed and being led around a room without colliding. Trying to lead someone without using force. Being silent and signal things with your eyes. Men exposing their shoulders and being &#8220;pested&#8221; by women who have put socks in their pants to build a scrotum. Playing tigers that battle for status. Becoming safe with body contact, e.g., giving massages to people with their eyes closed, etc.  I tend to hate all kinds of exercises with the goal of forming an ensamble that doens&#8217;t really have anything to do with the larp or play or whatever.  Freeze-exercises I really hate, especially when you are changing places etc.  I also hate sitting in circles and saying &#8220;My name is &#8230; and I think this is great, everyone is sooo good &#8230;&#8221;. I also hate forming grops and bonding over collective lies<br />
like how great this is going to be and how much the drama exercises improves whatever.</p>
<p>Exercises I dislike less include trying to feel various feelings to various degrees (I actually think this is quite good, but the people who led the exercise kept feeding us crappy feelings like &#8220;perpetrator&#8221;, which were not really feelings). Exercises that include actually playing your character before the actual event is generally a good idea.</p>
<p>I think that the best way to reduce tension etc. is generally to talk, be nice, encouraging. Beers are good also.</p>
<p>In the case you cite, I guess the goal was twofold: partly to actually think about what these words meant in this particular setting, but mostly for us to meet, talk and bond. Giving us a pointless exercise is mostly for easing this process. But real people don&#8217;t need to be fooled badly into forming groups.</p>
<p>I think preparation is good, if it is chosen carefully and has some bearing on the actual event. The problem is people presenting drama exercises and costume making as something that it is not.</p>
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		<title>by: Jonas Karlsson</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrigstad.com/?p=35#comment-49</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 11:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Tobias,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don't want to ruin your rant by asking for clarification or anything, but I'm curious as to what kinds of drama exercises you're talking about. In the introduction post you said that &quot;participants are asked to form groups to brainstorm from certain words without any further directions&quot;, and that does sound rather pointless. If you could try to read the minds of the organizers, what do you think the point of the exercise was? Or was it really just a repetition of something they had done themselves and that was repeated without any meaningful framework?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is the exercises the problem or is the real problem the need for preparation, especially preparation that doesn't seem to directly affect the game?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tobias,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to ruin your rant by asking for clarification or anything, but I&#8217;m curious as to what kinds of drama exercises you&#8217;re talking about. In the introduction post you said that &#8220;participants are asked to form groups to brainstorm from certain words without any further directions&#8221;, and that does sound rather pointless. If you could try to read the minds of the organizers, what do you think the point of the exercise was? Or was it really just a repetition of something they had done themselves and that was repeated without any meaningful framework?</p>
<p>Is the exercises the problem or is the real problem the need for preparation, especially preparation that doesn&#8217;t seem to directly affect the game?</p>
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		<title>by: Sven Holmström</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrigstad.com/?p=35#comment-48</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 08:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;So what am I driving at? Well, something like this: trying to do drama exercises in a room with a handfull of people that you know is a bit like reading yout pompous bullshit out loud to your family.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First, we didn't all know eachother, that was one of reasons for discussing it. Then , what we had planned to do was just some improvisation stuff, which really is roleplaying, but the micro version. I don't see that as pretentious, maybe unnecerssary.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But the only point with it was to make people more comfortable with eachother, which wasn't needed. Maybe because of something close to the reason you claim.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I should also say that I mostly agree with you post and you comment. It's easy to be pretentious and hard to be good.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So what am I driving at? Well, something like this: trying to do drama exercises in a room with a handfull of people that you know is a bit like reading yout pompous bullshit out loud to your family.&#8221;</p>
<p>First, we didn&#8217;t all know eachother, that was one of reasons for discussing it. Then , what we had planned to do was just some improvisation stuff, which really is roleplaying, but the micro version. I don&#8217;t see that as pretentious, maybe unnecerssary.</p>
<p>But the only point with it was to make people more comfortable with eachother, which wasn&#8217;t needed. Maybe because of something close to the reason you claim.</p>
<p>I should also say that I mostly agree with you post and you comment. It&#8217;s easy to be pretentious and hard to be good.</p>
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		<title>by: tobias</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrigstad.com/?p=35#comment-47</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi all, just came back to a reliable internet connection with a speed that exceeds 9600 baud. Anyway, I just want to comment on Jonas' last comment. I recently read (in a book on good hacking, as it were) that Jane Austin read all her books out loud to her family, which served as an active filter against writing any pretentions bullshit. I have no relation to Jane Austin's books, but I know that reading something that you've written out loud to other people is a good way of looking at your own material through others' eyes. For various reasons, wanking is easier when you are alone with you own material.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So what am I driving at? Well, something like this: trying to do drama exercises in a room with a handfull of people that you know is a bit like reading yout pompous bullshit out loud to your family. You generally don't want to do that. My understanding is that most people don't do drama exercises in that kind of setting. My question is if they realise why they are reluctant to do so.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It's the old blue pill or red pill question. (Ok, not so old.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, just came back to a reliable internet connection with a speed that exceeds 9600 baud. Anyway, I just want to comment on Jonas&#8217; last comment. I recently read (in a book on good hacking, as it were) that Jane Austin read all her books out loud to her family, which served as an active filter against writing any pretentions bullshit. I have no relation to Jane Austin&#8217;s books, but I know that reading something that you&#8217;ve written out loud to other people is a good way of looking at your own material through others&#8217; eyes. For various reasons, wanking is easier when you are alone with you own material.</p>
<p>So what am I driving at? Well, something like this: trying to do drama exercises in a room with a handfull of people that you know is a bit like reading yout pompous bullshit out loud to your family. You generally don&#8217;t want to do that. My understanding is that most people don&#8217;t do drama exercises in that kind of setting. My question is if they realise why they are reluctant to do so.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the old blue pill or red pill question. (Ok, not so old.)</p>
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		<title>by: Jonas Karlsson</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrigstad.com/?p=35#comment-46</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;We played the LARP without any drama exercises, since other preparations took a bit longer than expected. I can't say if it affected the game in any way, unfortunately. We felt that we wouldn't really benefit from it at the time, because the pre-game chat was enough to get people to know each other and feel comfortable.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We played the LARP without any drama exercises, since other preparations took a bit longer than expected. I can&#8217;t say if it affected the game in any way, unfortunately. We felt that we wouldn&#8217;t really benefit from it at the time, because the pre-game chat was enough to get people to know each other and feel comfortable.</p>
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		<title>by: Mikki</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrigstad.com/?p=35#comment-45</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Elsewhere, Jaakko just referred to you as &quot;the Swedish Mikki&quot;. Out of curiosity, does that give you the same burst of undirected anger and disdain I get whenever someone says something like that? Do you even care?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, uh, once again he demonstrates some fairly thorough knowledge of the miasma that rolls around in my head, because I cannot help but agree. I have never really been able to have a conversation about games with anyone who's that concerned about whether someone's costume is made by hand or with the aid of a machine without laughing in their face, and most of these ridiculously ritualized exercises some people are so fond of are little more than New Age bullshit repackaged for role-players; our equivalent of homeopathy and healing crystals -- more ritualized and vaguely defined superstition for the voluntarily stupidified would-be intellectuals... really, that whole goddamn insistence that making such a big deal out of what should really be a fairly simple process is really crucial and far more worthwhile than sitting down and talking just strikes me as counter-productive or useless at best and offensively pretentious or delusional at worst.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Which is not to say that a certain degree of authenticity can't be useful or that certain exercises don't have their uses, but this cult-like, &quot;be-all end-all&quot; devotion to these things some people have that makes me want to reach for a can of gasoline and matches.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In general, a little arson here and there could only do us good.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elsewhere, Jaakko just referred to you as &#8220;the Swedish Mikki&#8221;. Out of curiosity, does that give you the same burst of undirected anger and disdain I get whenever someone says something like that? Do you even care?</p>
<p>Anyway, uh, once again he demonstrates some fairly thorough knowledge of the miasma that rolls around in my head, because I cannot help but agree. I have never really been able to have a conversation about games with anyone who&#8217;s that concerned about whether someone&#8217;s costume is made by hand or with the aid of a machine without laughing in their face, and most of these ridiculously ritualized exercises some people are so fond of are little more than New Age bullshit repackaged for role-players; our equivalent of homeopathy and healing crystals &#8212; more ritualized and vaguely defined superstition for the voluntarily stupidified would-be intellectuals&#8230; really, that whole goddamn insistence that making such a big deal out of what should really be a fairly simple process is really crucial and far more worthwhile than sitting down and talking just strikes me as counter-productive or useless at best and offensively pretentious or delusional at worst.</p>
<p>Which is not to say that a certain degree of authenticity can&#8217;t be useful or that certain exercises don&#8217;t have their uses, but this cult-like, &#8220;be-all end-all&#8221; devotion to these things some people have that makes me want to reach for a can of gasoline and matches.</p>
<p>In general, a little arson here and there could only do us good.</p>
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